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Docter KillJoy
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Re: Pan
well obviously it means one thing. bra = AT LEAST mystic gohan. and didnt salagir say he doesnt think goku caught up to mystic gohan during those years he was training uub?
no one said that. even im smart enough to know zen buu, broly and vegetto are stronger.zOMG bra is teh strngest!!!11!
well we already know bra fought with ssj vegetto. pan lost to someone far weaker than kid gohan. the gap is ridiculous. even a non serious zen buu cant be hurt by U16 pan.This would point towards Bra and Pan being somewhat similar in power
shes in regular ssj and equal at least to gohan. who knows? maybe shes just as serious as zen buu and hasnt begun to show us her true power. she didnt really power up did she? just appeared in space in ssj form. so that means shes not fighting at full power probably. we'll see...she is an unfused half-saiyan and will not be stronger than Gohan.
Ussj Future Trunks- Posts : 472
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Re: Pan
i have a feeling that she only has super saiyan. and that as a ssj she is around 85 - 90% of gohan.
sure vegetto uses ssj against her in training. there is NO proof he is forced to used it. or that he needs to use 100% of his ssj form against her during training.
he probaly opted from the start to use it, to improve her training, and probaly only uses 35% of his max power. or else he would end up killing her.
sure vegetto uses ssj against her in training. there is NO proof he is forced to used it. or that he needs to use 100% of his ssj form against her during training.
he probaly opted from the start to use it, to improve her training, and probaly only uses 35% of his max power. or else he would end up killing her.
Docter KillJoy- Posts : 463
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Re: Pan
Bra is not as strong as Gohan. If she was, Gohan would not have offered to let her vent some stress by beating on him, he would have let Vegetto handle it.Ussj Future Trunks wrote:well obviously it means one thing. bra = AT LEAST mystic gohan. and didnt salagir say he doesnt think goku caught up to mystic gohan during those years he was training uub?
Bra kicking off Buu's head means nothing. Bullets pass through Buu and leave holes. Goku in his base form was able to cut Buu in half. That's just the kind of body Buu has: one that comes apart easy, but doesn't actually take damage unless hit by an absolutely absurd amount of force.
Hyp3rB14d3- Posts : 192
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for 10 freaking years of training with her ssj father? maybe she mastered it to the point where her ssj1 is as strong as whatever power level she would be if she powered up further to ssj3. as in maxed out ssj1. rendering it useless to go further as it wouldnt change her power level...like a mystic ssj?i have a feeling that she only has super saiyan.
she was not in a life or death fight and obviously wouldnt kill her own brother. being stronger doesnt mean she will punch gohan's head off. cmon now!If she was, Gohan would not have offered to let her vent some stress by beating on him,
shes obviously close enough in power to do so. majin vegeta's punches on fat buu did nothing but a few dents so obviously the gap between non serious zen buu and gohan/bra is less than the gap between fat buu and majin vegeta.Bra kicking off Buu's head means nothing.
well no not till we see a U16 special chapter or see bra/vegetto explain it. but gohan's quote suggested that he was. "hes never used ssj2, not even against bra". meaning imo bra is somewhat of a challenge for ssj1 vegetto to fight off.there is NO proof he is forced to used it. or that he needs to use 100% of his ssj form against her during training.
Ussj Future Trunks- Posts : 472
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You've clearly never taken a serious hit from someone of similar strength to you. And I don't mean like in a fight, I mean just stood there and taken a serious hit. You can be injured pretty badly with a single hit if you just stand there and take it. And you can also be injured pretty severely without being in risk of dying. And don't say Gohan was just sure she would back down. If he was, he would not have powered up before making the offer.Ussj Future Trunks wrote:she was not in a life or death fight and obviously wouldnt kill her own brother. being stronger doesnt mean she will punch gohan's head off. cmon now!If she was, Gohan would not have offered to let her vent some stress by beating on him,
Bra kicking off Buu's head means nothing.
Just like bullets are close enough in power to Majin Buu to rip holes in him, Goku in base is strong enough to cut Buutenks in half, and Vegeta at SSJ2 was strong enough to blast Kid Buu into tiny pieces. While conversely, Gohan didn't effortlessly rip through Super Buu when he was actually damaging him. Nor did SSJ3 Gotenks for that matter. Bra kicking Buu's head off means absolutely nothing. And that goes double since Buu was already in the process of separating himself into multiple pieces.Ussj Future Trunks wrote:shes obviously close enough in power to do so. majin vegeta's punches on fat buu did nothing but a few dents so obviously the gap between non serious zen buu and gohan/bra is less than the gap between fat buu and majin vegeta.
there is NO proof he is forced to used it. or that he needs to use 100% of his ssj form against her during training.
That's not what that means. What that means is that since there haven't been any serious threats since Majin Buu and Gohan doesn't ever train (and by extension, spar), Bra is the strongest opponent Vegetto has faced since Buu.Ussj Future Trunks wrote:well no not till we see a U16 special chapter or see bra/vegetto explain it. but gohan's quote suggested that he was. "hes never used ssj2, not even against bra". meaning imo bra is somewhat of a challenge for ssj1 vegetto to fight off.
There has been no evidence whatsoever that Bra is stronger than Gohan. It's been implied that Bra is strong, but nothing more.
Hyp3rB14d3- Posts : 192
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Re: Pan
it's like talking to a wall. he won't listen anyway all he wants to hear is. bra strongest EVUR
Docter KillJoy- Posts : 463
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exactly why he powered up. so he could brace for bra's hits. better being hurt than dooming pan to never be resurrected.You can be injured pretty badly with a single hit if you just stand there and take it
guess so (about buu). we'll just have to wait for bra's match for the truth of her strength.
exactly. and obviously base isnt enough for either of them. im sure vegetto didnt power up out of spite to beat the shit out of his daughter.Bra is the strongest opponent Vegetto has faced since Buu
and obviously gohan hasnt increased at all and would be nothing compared to base vegetto if we go by U18 battle with majin buu. the fact that he actually powered up (serious or not) tells us alot about bra's strength compared to gohan.
dr killjoy - i am listening...i even have stood corrected about a few things so you cant say i dont listen, and obviously i dont think bra's power is maximum or more than broly or her father.
Ussj Future Trunks- Posts : 472
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Re: Pan
Yes. That Vegetto used SSJ against Bra implies that SSJ Bra is stronger than Vegetto's base form. However, there is nothing in cannon to imply that Gohan isn't also stronger than Vegetto's base form.
You cited the battle between Vegetto and Majin Buu as proof that Vegetto is stronger in base than Gohan Buu, and by extension, Gohan. Anime filler is not canonical to Dragon Ball Multiverse. And in the manga, Vegetto goes SSJ exactly two pages after fusing, before ever laying a finger on Buu. SSJ is a fifty times multiplier, and Gohan Buu is at best double Gohan's strength. So what does the manga tell us?
Vegetto * 50 > Gohan * 2
You cited the battle between Vegetto and Majin Buu as proof that Vegetto is stronger in base than Gohan Buu, and by extension, Gohan. Anime filler is not canonical to Dragon Ball Multiverse. And in the manga, Vegetto goes SSJ exactly two pages after fusing, before ever laying a finger on Buu. SSJ is a fifty times multiplier, and Gohan Buu is at best double Gohan's strength. So what does the manga tell us?
Vegetto * 50 > Gohan * 2
Hyp3rB14d3- Posts : 192
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didnt say that. but i assume his base is stronger than buutenks or at least equal, who made gohan look like nothing.proof that Vegetto is stronger in base than Gohan Buu
Ussj Future Trunks- Posts : 472
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Yes. You assume. There is no actual evidence of this. Goku and Vegeta never fought Super Buu at all in the manga.
Hyp3rB14d3- Posts : 192
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well obviously. this isnt a crime scene lol. im just making a guess based on what i know about buu saga power levels. jesus...
Ussj Future Trunks- Posts : 472
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I asume it goes like this
Ssj vegetto > gohanbuu > vegetto > gotenksbuu > gohan > kid buu > piccolobuu > gotenks/super buu > goku ssj3 > grey buu > fat buu
Ssj vegetto > gohanbuu > vegetto > gotenksbuu > gohan > kid buu > piccolobuu > gotenks/super buu > goku ssj3 > grey buu > fat buu
Docter KillJoy- Posts : 463
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From what we've seen and been told in the series, the powers go like this:
SSJ Vegetto > Buuhan > Buutenks > Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks > Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku = Fat Buu > Gotenks > Majin Vegeta > Mr. Buu
Unfortunately, this doesn't give us a placement for Vegetto in his base form, or tell us whether or not he is stronger in his base form than Gohan.
Here's where you have to think a little. Gotenks, the fusion of Trunks and Goten, being a fusion, is very, very strong. Strong enough that in base form, he managed to survive attacking Majin Buu (although he got the crap kicked out of him, he still did better than Vegeta). Now, SSJ3 is something like a 400 times multiplier. So SSJ3 Gotenks is crazy strong. And Gohan is stronger than him by a sizable amount (enough so that while Gotenks was just barely able to outfight Super Buu, Gohan was able to handle him easily). Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Goten and Trunks, so Vegetto should be stronger than Gotenks. However, is Vegetto more than 400 times stronger than Gotenks? If so, then maybe his base form is stronger than Gohan. But personally, I highly, highly doubt it.
SSJ Vegetto > Buuhan > Buutenks > Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks > Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku = Fat Buu > Gotenks > Majin Vegeta > Mr. Buu
Unfortunately, this doesn't give us a placement for Vegetto in his base form, or tell us whether or not he is stronger in his base form than Gohan.
Here's where you have to think a little. Gotenks, the fusion of Trunks and Goten, being a fusion, is very, very strong. Strong enough that in base form, he managed to survive attacking Majin Buu (although he got the crap kicked out of him, he still did better than Vegeta). Now, SSJ3 is something like a 400 times multiplier. So SSJ3 Gotenks is crazy strong. And Gohan is stronger than him by a sizable amount (enough so that while Gotenks was just barely able to outfight Super Buu, Gohan was able to handle him easily). Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Goten and Trunks, so Vegetto should be stronger than Gotenks. However, is Vegetto more than 400 times stronger than Gotenks? If so, then maybe his base form is stronger than Gohan. But personally, I highly, highly doubt it.
Hyp3rB14d3- Posts : 192
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I envy you for being able to say it that clearly. I totally agree with youHere's where you have to think a little. Gotenks, the fusion of Trunks and Goten, being a fusion, is very, very strong. Strong enough that in base form, he managed to survive attacking Majin Buu (although he got the crap kicked out of him, he still did better than Vegeta). Now, SSJ3 is something like a 400 times multiplier. So SSJ3 Gotenks is crazy strong. And Gohan is stronger than him by a sizable amount (enough so that while Gotenks was just barely able to outfight Super Buu, Gohan was able to handle him easily). Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Goten and Trunks, so Vegetto should be stronger than Gotenks. However, is Vegetto more than 400 times stronger than Gotenks? If so, then maybe his base form is stronger than Gohan. But personally, I highly, highly doubt it.
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